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it's gonna get a little heated in here

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tonight so i had to wear a t-shirt

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getting ready i'm shadow boxing

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tomorrow night

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dr robert shock is here wednesday night

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it is randall carlson so we've got a

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great week lined up of course thursday

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becoming my favorite night of the week

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except for tonight because kevin is here

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kevin is a uk-based radio and television

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host he's a journalist film producer

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filmmaker director his show the kevin

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moore show provides a platform for which

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some of the world's greatest

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philosophers paranormal researchers life

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coaches spiritual teachers authors can

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communicate their work research

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into our common knowledge their

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understanding of life in the universe

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the guests are experienced individuals

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who aspire to empower and teach the

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viewers listeners to search for

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spiritual solutions to their daily

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kevin is currently working on not one

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but two documentary films which we will

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be discussing tonight as well as his

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career his show and the current state of

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our precious and beautiful community

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the website is the kevin moore show.com

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and i would like to welcome for the

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first time to fade to black kevin moore

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kevin

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how you doing

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i'm good jimmy thank you very much for

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having me on

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kevin uh before we get started okay oh

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you know what first things first i got

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to do the first time guest disclaimer so

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let's get that out of the way all right

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which is kevin it's just you and i

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sitting on my couch having a

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conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends but we'll

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we'll end his friends you ready to go

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i am mate i am let's do this okay uh

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first question out of the gate

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tell me

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of course jimmy okay okay

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how kevin

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i'm six foot tall

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how tall are you

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you know i'm i'm about six five so we've

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met each other before and uh

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yeah so i'm six five

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you could have been a basketball player

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right you should have the picture that

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you and i took together you don't look

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i remember that picture now that's right

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i don't know if i was slouching that day

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and that day you were standing straight

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and proud i don't know

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but yeah you look uh you look much

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taller than that but yeah when you know

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when you're given that kind of gift

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right physically

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i hope you have a jump shot that's all

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you know so you can go out there and and

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and take advantage of what i don't have

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that's incredible yeah

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and incredible height so anyway um

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let's back up a little bit here i want

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to uh first uh introduce you to our

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audience which most know who you are but

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what they don't know about you is is how

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you got started down this path

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i i think it's an interesting one

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ouch ouch i don't know what that was but

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um did all of this start

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for you in school and college or were

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you already on a paranormal path before

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you know i think as i got close to the

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end of my old life my past life selling

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computer software and other things that

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i was doing i i remember getting into

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alex jones i remember listening to a lot

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of art belt i do not remember when and

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how it started right um but i just

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became addicted to art and probably a

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bit addicted to alex jones

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and the career that i was doing which

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was computer software was just dying of

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death it was at the sort of the time of

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crash was going on

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and i just decided to myself i'm never

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going to put myself in a situation again

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where i don't have a career or something

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with qualifications to back myself up

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onto so i had a career in electronics

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broadcasting which in the end i left

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yeah you and i the reason why i bring

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that up is you and i did a lot of the

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very very similar things career changes

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2008 you know were adults were growing

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your passion at that age and i i what i

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about that is first off i'm glad that

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you did it the second thing is for the

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audience

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go and do what if if

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there is something you're never too old

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right just go and pull the trigger and

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and follow your passion you know find

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your bliss go and do it

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and and absolutely so okay now what

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about well let me let me say this i mean

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you know listen i've you know look this

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is gonna this is already out there and

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and i'll just say it as well look you

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know prior to doing the computer

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software the computer software was

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something that i was uh

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i was self-employed you know what i mean

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it wasn't a company i was willing to

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start my own company but also i was

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involved in the adult industry as well i

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was uh i did have a you know i had tried

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to get up and running a sex toy business

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and it never worked it never fruitioned

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it wasn't meant to be every time i try

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to do something that wasn't in my

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alignment it never worked out and i have

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no embarrassment saying that i don't

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really care to be honest this is this is

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information that's already been doxed on

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me right thanks to something else we're

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but i would just rather be open about it

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right and just be honest something that

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a lot of us in this industry apparently

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are not very good at hmm

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you know what i used to do

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no idea yeah i'll just let it out now

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i i was

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a sign twirler um in in a in a tigger

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outfit in front of an insurance company

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there you go if that's true if that's

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true jimmy there you go i did it i did

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it i did it with pride and i uh

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i would wear the tigger outfit

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uh 24 7. i started to uh to form

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uh a connection to it so i would wear it

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stopped taking showers and i started

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cleaning myself with my tongue

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the tigger

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you know and and so there you go it took

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a couple of years uh to wean off of it

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but but i eventually uh i

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i went through a 12-step program

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the problem i find in this industry

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right and and i call it an industry but

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you know we if we're going to be

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spiritual we can't we know we've got to

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jesus-like right and that's just not the

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reality of the industry or or the way

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that it is right we come i do believe we

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come down here for our soul to get the

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most out of everything right

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and you know we're so easy aren't we

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just to turn on one another if we've not

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been completely you know as i say

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squeaky clean from the outset and uh you

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know it's that's just not life it's not

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life and you know but it never was for

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maybe i was a bit of a rogue i don't

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i come from the music industry

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is the paranormal aspect because

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uh your knowledge your foundation when

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channeling or the paranormal or ufos or

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this community uh you have where did the

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interest for that come from

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well i had a ufo experience with my

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family and we don't really talk about it

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it's not something that we get together

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it's not something we can even really

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get together and talk about to be honest

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it was it was such a a weird um

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crazy experience how old are you how old

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13. oh so you remember it okay what

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happened oh yeah well i just remember

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this this you know this silver-shaped

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disc being

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outside the side of my house i remember

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calling my parents thinking what the

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hell is this this thing that was

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hovering out there we had no reference

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reference for it our

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my memories faded i remember going

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outside the front of the house and then

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there was an it had come across the

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house and then i remember later on in

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the in the evening multiple sort of

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crafts in the sky and then my next

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memory from all this is some sort of

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shaped craft moving along the sky

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with the weirdest writing on the side

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that the next day and she still got that

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and um you know it's something we don't

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talk about it's something we can't talk

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because there's no reference to it none

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trigger then maybe i don't know i don't

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know how useful those stories are do you

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know what i mean did you go and and

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start jumping into the subject and

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books and videos and and everything else

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really could not stand them right um but

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it wasn't like i say till i got to

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um probably 30 that i realized oh my god

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um you know

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i do really enjoy these subjects and if

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i was going to do something i think i

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want to put my my heart and and into

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becoming

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what i thought back in the day was the

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next art belt because i was so

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um he just inspired me so much when he

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inspired me to go to university

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that's what he did

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and uh when you got

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when you got started to get into radio

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especially in the beginning

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how quickly did you learn that it's not

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easy

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i remember the first day right i got the

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offer i got syndicated in the uk on

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about 13

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community radio stations i just worked

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my butt off right to get this done

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whilst at university

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and it just became my life i went to uni

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to to get a career i knew what i was

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going for at 30 do you know what i mean

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and in the end i remember phoning a tv

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company up in the uk uh that was on sort

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of a backwater station in on satellite

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station in the uk and they agreed that

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i could have the chance to you know

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broadcast on their platform for free

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once a week a tv show so you know as a

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student we we all got together in

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different departments and we we started

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the moor show uh for tv and that was

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just at the beginning of the sort of

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transfer of going over to just doing a

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tv degree basically

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so yeah i finished with a with a tv

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degree but yeah radio it's our mate i

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i've been doing this for a while now and

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it is uh

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i don't know i've um

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i

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broadcast on the weekends because of

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coast to coast

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you know of course yeah yeah

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yeah there are some months that go by

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where i don't have any days off where i

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broadcast every single night well

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because you love it you love it you love

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it and i don't

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and that's why i'm not the next art belt

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and that's why you know i'm not doing

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the things that i'm doing um

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i yeah yeah and uh

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uh i was gonna ask another question but

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you just reminded me when uh

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when you go and listen to somebody that

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is was was he's no longer with us as

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gifted as our bell was or other radio

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host

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and you can drive down the road or

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whatever and listen to him and

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it seems like you can listen to him for

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hours

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and that is how good they

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yeah were

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was good he was good and uh you know um

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from what i've been told he wasn't i

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mean you knew him quite well but he was

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working for him weren't you back back in

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the day yeah i did yeah he wasn't the

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most easiest man that's the kind of

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feeling i get from people that i've

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spoken to but what a broadcaster and

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it's such a shame that he that he has

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crossed um

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yeah yeah

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his his effect on people uh including

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myself and like you right was so

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profound

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that um i think it is best that you know

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there are a lot of people out there that

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had very very negative experiences with

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art um but there's nothing that those

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people can say about art no matter what

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it is that's going to affect people's

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memories or compassion that they have

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for the man so i'm just gonna let it you

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know just rest i'm not saying that you

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know my experience

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uh was negative or all negative or all

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positive it what i

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haven't done

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and i will won't do

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i'm not going to share anything uh

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private about art i'm just not going to

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do it i'm not

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and uh positive or negative because

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those are all private things right we

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never did anything public together so

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therefore

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everything is private and he's no longer

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here so it just stays there and

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and and that's it and i think that's the

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best way to uh to treat the man so now

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um at the beginning of the moor show

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before we hit this break was it always

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uh spirituality in the paranormal and

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and uh you know ascension was it always

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that from the beginning yeah yeah yeah

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my main thing for doing that show i i

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kind of got to this place in the end was

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if i could get something

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from the place that we end up going to

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and that we've come from that we could

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use in the present moment now that would

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make this moment more fulfilling more

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loving more joyful happier for others

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then that's the information i i kind of

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wanted to bring in to this show

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uh whether i achieved that or not i

404
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don't know really and i know i helped

405
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some people i got you know a few emails

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back here and there that you know i

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really helped people on their journey

408
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and i you know just obviously you know

409
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what it's like when you're solo and

410
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stuff it's difficult to you know to do

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everything and get back to everyone you

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know

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but um

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yeah i um i i wanted to make others

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others

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live a more fulfilling you know

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joyous life and and for myself to be

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honest actually thinking about it as

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well i also wanted it for my journey i

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wanted to find out is this true is there

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anything in this

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and what have i discovered uh i think i

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know just this

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that we're a soul having a human

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experience

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and um

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we can't we do create our reality if if

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i've learned anything that's key it's

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probably

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that sums it up

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where do you think we are with that

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today uh that our community has been

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on on a quest for a long time seekers of

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knowledge and trying to figure out

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what's going on and they know that

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things are different and they're trying

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to get to it but then there's the other

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part there's the science part and

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there's the status quo part that chooses

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to ignore

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you know simple thing like

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ghosts right they just just choose to

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ignore it um where where are we with

444
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that today uh you know with our own

445
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reality and these questions are we

446
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getting close to answers

447
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and i think as you know i mean i mean my

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feeling on that is you've got to have

449
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the science in there to ignore the

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science it's just you know how is that

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helpful we live in a grounded shared

452
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reality and when we go beyond that

453
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shared reality into complete nonsense i

454
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think that that that can't be helpful i

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think science plays an important role

456
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but i mean to be too scientific and not

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spiritual not have the balance i think

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that's where the issues come in

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sometimes uh but i do not deny science

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and i think it plays a very important

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role but uh unfortunately most people

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into the sciences do you know unless

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there's repeatable proof there that that

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something is and continues afterwards is

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that the science is just not there yet

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um yeah unfortunately yeah and then when

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we have the scientists now as they are

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learning more and more about the

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complexities of everything including the

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universe

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that

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it is now probably not as simple as

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what science was trying to say it was

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leading up to this that now there must

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be something going on there's got to be

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something else a little bit more deeper

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here

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and

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that that would answer these complex

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issues uh of of everything

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right right when you consider the idea

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that the universe is infinite for

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example which you know i can't get that

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in my head i'm pretty sure most people

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can't right um then then there are

486
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possibilities but you know again

487
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doing the work that i'm doing right now

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the documentary that i'm doing right now

489
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it's really helped to ground me that

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that do not get too far out there in the

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woo-woo that we are here to have a human

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experience and when you deny that part

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of you

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and you know you you want to be

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something that that isn't kind of human

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in a sense or you know you just do you

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you're denying what you could have here

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that that's a problem for me that it

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that that really is and it's a

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double-edged sword and i'll tell you

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well i want your opinion on this we have

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when we go too far into the woo-woo

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uh you have those that are suggesting

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the woo-woo right

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and then you have the audience that is

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accepting of the woo-woo

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why is it that the community is so ready

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to

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fantastical stuff

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why are they so wanting to jump on board

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so easy to jump on board because it's

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escapism it's it's it's uh

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you know you know a lot of people get

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into this from leaving religion they

515
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want an alternative to religion so they

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come into this community i see it more

517
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and more nowadays right and you know

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it's still that thing or tell me what to

519
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think tell me what to do and and and and

520
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i'll and i'll do it you know what i mean

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but um

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i don't i don't know for the answer for

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i think it's just on

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but at the same time you know i've been

525
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there you know i've been on that journey

526
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of of you know going too far to the

527
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woo-woo and and not being grounded

528
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enough sometimes and there's nothing

529
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wrong with that if that's the the way

530
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you want to go fine but um you know i'll

531
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say again we do live in a shared reality

532
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and uh to deny certain things it's just

533
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uh not helpful for the human experience

534
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i don't think yeah the the woo-woo for

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me

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and i i went for i went full in on on

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billy and i was young man i was 21 right

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20 this is 1980

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85

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and and i jump into the billy meyer

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stuff and quickly it only took a couple

542
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of years

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uh later where i realized that it wasn't

544
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what it was supposed to be and i hated

545
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that feeling of being sucked in

546
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and and i think sometimes i mean what if

547
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some of these experiences are you know

548
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people picking them up from other

549
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:00,559
realities i mean i mean it sounds so

550
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:02,240
wobbly to me right now saying that right

551
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even though i've practiced channeling

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we're going to get into all that i know

553
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,400
on this interview right right right but

554
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but i mean what if sometimes people are

555
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having bleed throughs from other

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realities and stuff and they think it's

557
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,200
this reality but actually it's not

558
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,039
you're just picking up on something else

559
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,600
right and the confusion sets in there

560
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:19,520
maybe but i mean you talk about the

561
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,280
billy my case and i know you know that

562
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,960
that would be for myself i'd love to

563
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,559
research that case one day and really

564
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,640
look into it but then you know i've met

565
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,240
corey good i'm just going to say it you

566
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,240
know i told you when i when i met cory i

567
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:32,240
told his agent i don't think i believed

568
00:21:36,470 --> 00:21:34,880
the story and his agent was well i don't

569
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,480
think you should you should research it

570
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,320
and look into it but i know i know

571
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,000
you've covered that story quite a bit

572
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,480
but i i think i would love to do a

573
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,799
documentary on corey good monday a nice

574
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,240
one a sensible one i don't think it

575
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,360
would ever be as disruptive and painful

576
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,039
as the one that i'm doing right now

577
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:52,720
right i wouldn't do that i mean let's

578
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:54,640
face it he's not murdered anyone

579
00:21:57,350 --> 00:21:55,440
but

580
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,360
um you know when you look at corey good

581
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:59,039
you know i mean you know i mean there's

582
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:00,799
a man that's talking about you know

583
00:22:05,669 --> 00:22:04,159
leaving this atmosphere having done 20

584
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,679
and back and everything else again i

585
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:07,120
don't know much about the story but i'm

586
00:22:10,789 --> 00:22:08,400
just saying

587
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:10,799
well you know that that's an obvious one

588
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,280
in the room isn't it well

589
00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:15,120
we've been through it before

590
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:17,919
you know there is that situation there

591
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:20,320
there is uh we could

592
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:23,440
uh go back to things like uh the alien

593
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,120
autopsy and and selling you know 50

594
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,400
million videotapes at 50 a pop you know

595
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,280
think about that and and the live fox

596
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,280
television show that was done and and

597
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:37,200
the people that still today believe that

598
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,799
that's a real video

599
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,360
and it they you know they're so they're

600
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,840
they're so invested into it

601
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,000
um that's right

602
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:48,240
or people like henry smith you know i

603
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,240
mean i interviewed him he seemed like a

604
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:53,200
nice guy do i believe his story no

605
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,720
i mean people seem to think i do of

606
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,080
course i don't

607
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:58,640
but you know as a as a person go seems

608
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,200
quite a nice guy but again i've never

609
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,120
researched his story i can't really

610
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,960
comment on it right but there's someone

611
00:23:08,070 --> 00:23:06,799
that we've both met that's where i stand

612
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,080
on it mm-hmm

613
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,640
yeah yeah yeah and it's it's

614
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,880
i've said this many times we've got to

615
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:14,240
take a break here

616
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:18,400
um either people resonate with the

617
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:21,760
story or they don't right and and i

618
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,679
leave it up to everybody just like you

619
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,280
do you know

620
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,039
you it's up to you to go one way or the

621
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,200
other but what is there's a documentary

622
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:30,880
made on it and it shows that the story

623
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,480
was absolutely fake yeah that's a

624
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,559
different yeah yeah we'll get to that

625
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,159
that's not what i'm referring to but of

626
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:38,480
course uh we'll get to that what i'm

627
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:42,720
saying is that um when we have in in our

628
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:43,840
community

629
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,559
things that we can't prove like the

630
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:48,640
flying saucer over your parents house

631
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,520
right

632
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,080
where it's i've had all of the sightings

633
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,360
that i've had i i don't have but i i i

634
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,960
don't have a story to contact in the

635
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,159
desert you know what i mean i'm making

636
00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:00,000
money from it that's the difference

637
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,120
right right but okay hold on

638
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,159
hold on what i'm saying is i i don't

639
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,880
have a t-shirt or anything

640
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,360
but i want people to listen to me

641
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,080
and and and to you know hopefully

642
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,320
understand what i'm trying to say and in

643
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,880
this community that's what we have to do

644
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:21,360
is be able to to do that and practice

645
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:23,919
discernment what has happened though

646
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:26,960
kevin is it's gotten out of control and

647
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,120
that's what you refer to let's take a

648
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,360
break right here our guest tonight is

649
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:32,720
kevin moore

650
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,080
uh formerly of the moore show that was a

651
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,039
fish that was a documentarian

652
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:41,039
i'm just cracking a little funny there i

653
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,320
guess tonight's kevin moore i'm your

654
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,559
host jimmy church this is fade to black

655
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:46,400
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656
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,679
with kevin after this short break

657
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,480
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658
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660
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664
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[Music]

665
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:11,760
welcome back fade to block i am your

666
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,200
host jimmy church our guest tonight

667
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:14,720
kevin moore

668
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:18,000
of the moore show

669
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,350
kevin

670
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,200
did you actually say you don't care

671
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:27,520
about the moore show anymore is are you

672
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,640
that knee deep in into this film stuff

673
00:25:41,909 --> 00:25:32,799
now

674
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:41,919
when you are um following your bliss

675
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,559
sometimes and following what really

676
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,159
you know what what feels like purpose

677
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:47,840
and what feels like you know a happy

678
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:49,279
space to be in

679
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,960
a lot of a lot of things around you

680
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,919
change

681
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,919
and that which you thought you were here

682
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:54,799
to do

683
00:25:58,549 --> 00:25:57,440
uh can can suddenly shift as well

684
00:26:02,549 --> 00:25:58,559
and

685
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:02,559
about my talk show right now i've worked

686
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,360
on

687
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,440
doing my show for for you know many

688
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,840
years put a lot of hours and love into

689
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:09,600
it just like yourself

690
00:26:12,390 --> 00:26:10,480
but

691
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:12,400
is that where i'm gonna end up is that

692
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:14,320
is that what i'm here to do is that my

693
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,360
purpose

694
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,919
you know uh i don't know i don't know

695
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:19,840
anymore i honestly don't know where i'm

696
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:21,760
at i'm gonna i'm gonna jump in to make a

697
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,799
comment i want your response um uh

698
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:27,760
recently uh you invited me up to

699
00:26:32,470 --> 00:26:30,640
participate in in your documentary on

700
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,480
channeling right so

701
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:34,880
uh i sat down with you we did a a

702
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:37,279
wonderful taping and had a great time

703
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:40,400
but i asked you then what's going on

704
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:43,360
with the radio show if you're over here

705
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:45,679
you know for months at a time shooting a

706
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:49,200
documentary documentaries you know as in

707
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:50,159
plural

708
00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,240
um two different projects what about the

709
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,400
show and you were like man this is

710
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,400
this is what i want to do right now and

711
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:58,799
i saw the passion in your eyes and then

712
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:02,080
you and i had an off-camera discussion

713
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,760
about some of these subjects that you

714
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,200
are working on

715
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,159
and your passion about it was

716
00:27:12,789 --> 00:27:10,480
frightening to me in that

717
00:27:15,510 --> 00:27:12,799
you knew this is what you were going to

718
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,520
do and that's it and and you were moving

719
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,480
forward

720
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,039
and i gotta say uh i think you found

721
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:22,159
your bliss i really do

722
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,360
thank you thank you yeah um

723
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:27,440
yeah uh

724
00:27:31,269 --> 00:27:29,039
god you know it's not been an easy road

725
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,279
there it's not it has not been an easy

726
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:33,360
road um

727
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:34,480
i don't know where do you want to start

728
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:36,640
here yeah i know right i know i know i

729
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:38,320
know i know okay

730
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,159
um i i

731
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:43,840
let's kind of go let's go here first

732
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,720
um i said to you

733
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:48,559
off camera

734
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:49,679
um

735
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:51,279
i would never

736
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,520
want to be caught by you right

737
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:58,320
i said and i said i said man you know

738
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,000
you're the last person that i would want

739
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,840
sniffing around me

740
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:04,799
and

741
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,399
saying here

742
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,480
uh when you're

743
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:12,320
once you get once you pick up on the

744
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:14,640
scent kevin is it your personality

745
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:16,240
you're not going to let it go till you

746
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,870
if i find

747
00:28:28,310 --> 00:28:25,360
that there's overwhelming evidence to

748
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:28,320
show that something is not true

749
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,200
and

750
00:28:32,710 --> 00:28:31,039
you have the evidence there to show it

751
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:32,720
and it's repeatable

752
00:28:38,230 --> 00:28:35,200
that's totally different that's totally

753
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:38,240
different um you know i mean armchair

754
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:40,000
research is one thing and armchair

755
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:41,760
research is very important don't get me

756
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:44,080
wrong i i have nothing bad to say about

757
00:28:49,029 --> 00:28:46,480
people you know who don't go on the road

758
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,039
and actually you know uncover things

759
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:51,200
right and knock door to door

760
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,720
um but when you know something's true

761
00:28:58,870 --> 00:28:57,120
and uh you you're kind of the only one

762
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,880
that knows it and you can't really shout

763
00:29:02,389 --> 00:29:00,720
it out too much

764
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,399
that can turn to a lot of anger

765
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:04,159
sometimes and i can definitely say

766
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:05,840
that's where i am right now

767
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,000
definitely and is yeah anger anger or i

768
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,799
call it passion uh but

769
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,000
that's exactly what i see in you and

770
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:18,640
how do you deal with it you know what i

771
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,799
mean how do you deal with it do you just

772
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:23,120
work do you meditate

773
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,159
you know because you're you're on a path

774
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:28,480
that we're about to get into right now

775
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,159
that is uh going to be very very very

776
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,480
revealing and as you started to peel

777
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:36,320
back the layers and your blood is

778
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,240
starting to boil

779
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:40,559
you can't let it get out of control so

780
00:29:49,020 --> 00:29:47,590
see you're doing it now you're breathing

781
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,030
right you know um

782
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:51,200
[Laughter]

783
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,640
um

784
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,360
i i don't i i don't i i will just go out

785
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:58,000
and do a video on my youtube channel and

786
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,679
i'll talk about whatever it is at that

787
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,440
moment that you know that that's

788
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,360
whatever it is i'm covering this stuff

789
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:04,960
um but but to deal with it well do you

790
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,559
know it's difficult because you know if

791
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,559
it's not a video you put it now and it's

792
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:10,559
and it's you you know something that's

793
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,840
that's that's so big yet others don't uh

794
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,840
it's difficult it is very difficult and

795
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,080
uh you know it's it's

796
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,159
i i've been

797
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,200
honestly sat in a lot of uh frustration

798
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,120
pain and everything else with this

799
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,279
current documentary that i'm working on

800
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,760
and and and to see

801
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,440
what others are saying about it that are

802
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,760
carrying this story forward i i just

803
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,120
shake my head at this whole industry

804
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:37,679
sometimes but at the same time i i you

805
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,440
know you have to keep reminding yourself

806
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,039
of why you're doing what you're doing

807
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:43,360
and that you're doing it for the better

808
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,399
of others hopefully and that you know

809
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,320
that this is a you know a real true

810
00:30:51,990 --> 00:30:50,240
story because you've done your read had

811
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,000
i not done my research jimmy i wouldn't

812
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,480
be as passionate because you know how i

813
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,559
wouldn't go against someone unless i had

814
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:57,840
the facts do you know what i mean that

815
00:31:01,669 --> 00:31:00,000
that would be plain wrong do you know

816
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,679
what i mean if i if i was to say to you

817
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:03,919
right now i think you know you know the

818
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,159
corey story is totally force or emery

819
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,960
smith is totally forced or david wilcock

820
00:31:12,789 --> 00:31:10,559
is you know is making stuff up i

821
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:12,799
wouldn't know that unless i had actually

822
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:15,440
researched them probably you know prop

823
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:18,080
properly from a grounded perspective but

824
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,000
you know i have with one particular

825
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:21,440
documentary that i'm working on now and

826
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:24,080
that's why i'm probably heated up

827
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:24,880
so

828
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,799
uh

829
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,279
what are you working on

830
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:30,799
well you know what it is it's the the

831
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,640
mark richards documentary okay it's

832
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:34,240
called captain mark richards

833
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,310
oh okay you're gonna go you're gonna i

834
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:44,720
was gonna say for those that don't know

835
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:47,760
who is uh mark richards

836
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:50,720
well he's not a captain and he's not

837
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:52,880
been in outer space let's just say that

838
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:57,279
he was part of a murder on july 6 1982

839
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:00,080
he murdered his good friend richard

840
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,640
baldwin at 36b front street um

841
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,960
for money for money i will say that

842
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,559
that's definitely been confirmed i'm

843
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:11,360
actually in marin county right now

844
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:13,600
filming that documentary for the second

845
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:14,399
time

846
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,600
um i filmed it back in september and the

847
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:19,679
research just went into a different

848
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:22,159
direction for that documentary and i

849
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:23,760
missed out quite a bit on the on the

850
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:27,600
first take because it's such a a big

851
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,600
story in a sense it's so varied so

852
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,360
mark richards

853
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,080
was a criminal back in the day and i've

854
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,399
now got the proof to show that

855
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,279
i've interviewed the lead detective

856
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,919
that arrested um a guy called crossing

857
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,159
hoover so let me just prepare a phrase

858
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:48,320
the story like this so mark richards

859
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,000
murdered um

860
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,120
richard baldwin with the help of two

861
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,679
teenagers one was crossing hoover hoover

862
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,519
which actually did the murder the other

863
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:00,159
was andrew campbell that that got state

864
00:33:06,870 --> 00:33:03,600
testimony and you know was let free

865
00:33:08,549 --> 00:33:06,880
after being in juvenile uh i mean after

866
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:08,559
being in jail for a while but it was

867
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:10,320
called something else it's not jail okay

868
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,039
so

869
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:13,039
mark richards was convicted of the

870
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:14,080
murder

871
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,600
so richard was committed to the first

872
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,440
degree murder yeah sentenced to life

873
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:19,120
without parole

874
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,559
in 1984 and he's currently uh

875
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,720
incarcerated where incarcerated right

876
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,760
now

877
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:27,279
in um

878
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,320
uh he was in vacaville he's now in uh

879
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:32,000
where is he let me just uh

880
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:33,760
he's now in no he's in vacaville now

881
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,360
sorry he's they they changed prison

882
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:37,279
every 15 years as a life but that's been

883
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:38,799
in for 36 years he's been to various

884
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:41,039
different prisons folsom and another one

885
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,799
but he's in vacaville right now now

886
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:45,679
vacaville's also the state prison's

887
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,559
mental hospital uh prison

888
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:51,279
is he is he in vacaville because of that

889
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,200
no no no

890
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,240
he's in gen pop at vacaville

891
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:58,480
yes he's been there for however many

892
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,919
years right now and he'll probably stay

893
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:01,440
there for the rest of his life hopefully

894
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,559
as well

895
00:34:06,630 --> 00:34:04,080
um so

896
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,640
the murder happened in 1982 when was he

897
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:08,159
convicted

898
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:13,040
1984 1984 so that now that is 30 35

899
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,960
years he's been in prison no 36 years

900
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,720
right right right i got you i got you so

901
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,280
36 years convicted of first-degree

902
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,599
murder life without parole

903
00:34:26,950 --> 00:34:24,560
where

904
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:26,960
committed the murder on his behalf he uh

905
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:29,839
was running a cult called penn dragon

906
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:32,960
and he absolutely um

907
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,839
twisted the minds of crossing hoover and

908
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,760
andrew campbell

909
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,520
and uh you know i've been interviewing

910
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,800
cross and hoover

911
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,599
for

912
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,839
a few weeks now many weeks over recorded

913
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,280
prison lines back in the day back you

914
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:46,960
know when i started the research back in

915
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:50,159
june and um

916
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,679
there's a reason why we're talking about

917
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,119
mark richards we're going to get to that

918
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:54,960
in a second i know the audience is going

919
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,160
okay what uh this is uh let me just say

920
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,720
mark richards is kerry cassidy's top

921
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,119
whistleblower so she's interviewed him

922
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,640
10 times now

923
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:06,880
from prison she's been to see him right

924
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,599
and

925
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:10,640
uh she's not interviewed any of the lead

926
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,760
witnesses that i have

927
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,000
she's into only interviewed mark

928
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,400
richards and taken the words of mark

929
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:19,359
richards

930
00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:22,079
and now where does this oh and his wife

931
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,720
joanne as well obviously joanne is mark

932
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,880
richards's current wife and she goes on

933
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:29,119
the ufo circuit to promote mark

934
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:30,560
richards's work through the earth

935
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,960
defense headquarters which luckily i got

936
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:35,200
to go i got to see just recently and

937
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,400
actually got to speak to the neighbors

938
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:38,000
which was nice as well and uh told them

939
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,839
that the earth defense headquarters is

940
00:35:45,430 --> 00:35:41,680
there to you know look after them at the

941
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:45,440
night time so that was nice uh the uh

942
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,359
the captain part of mark richards what

943
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,960
what what are you assuming

944
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,800
stolen valor it's not true at all he is

945
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:55,119
no captain

946
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:57,040
because actually at the smithsonian

947
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:00,079
museum in um washington right you know

948
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,839
there's a donation there made to have

949
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,000
his father and him put on the plaque

950
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,320
there as one of the plaques so that was

951
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,920
incredible to see that as well but you

952
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,000
know anyone can do just a donation and

953
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,520
be put on there do you know what i mean

954
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,760
right um but just just the craziness of

955
00:36:15,349 --> 00:36:14,640
it all

956
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:15,359
so

957
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:17,359
he said that he was a captain in the

958
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:19,920
navy is that what i'm understanding

959
00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:23,040
yeah captain in the navy um

960
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,880
in vietnam which is not true at all

961
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,720
because we've now met the friends who

962
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,599
place him uh um at uh you know being

963
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:31,359
here on planet earth in marin county

964
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,240
because i'm in marin county right now

965
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,680
and um no none of it's true and um

966
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:39,680
the sad thing is

967
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,480
that this was a real murder you know

968
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,880
richard baldwin was a real person and i

969
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,200
met his sister right susan baldwin in

970
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:50,880
marin in uh maine sorry right and um

971
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,400
she was as devastated as anyone could be

972
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,359
36 years later and she was so upset that

973
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:00,240
someone called kerry cassidy and joanne

974
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:03,200
richards was perpetuating the lies

975
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:05,839
and crap of mark richards

976
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:08,800
and uh it was just very very very sad

977
00:37:13,510 --> 00:37:11,599
okay let's uh let's say let's stay on

978
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:13,520
this so

979
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,480
uh at what point uh

980
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,320
he's convicted he gets convicted of

981
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:21,119
murder this is in court done

982
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,760
jury he's convicted of the murder even

983
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:26,400
though i i believe he was he was present

984
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:29,760
at the murder he watched yeah he didn't

985
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,320
he didn't listen listen listen i've got

986
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,640
the i've been interviewing and sat down

987
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,640
with the lead detective that arrested

988
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,960
cross and hoover right on july 13th the

989
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:40,480
week after the murders and he's just

990
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,520
given me six cassette tapes of the

991
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,240
police interview okay and listening to

992
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:47,680
the crossing hoover and you know that i

993
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,040
put that vlog out just recently and

994
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:50,560
people can go to my channel and watch

995
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:51,440
that

996
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:55,200
be angry it was meant

997
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,800
that's where i'm coming from right now

998
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,640
and in that vlog you'll hear the

999
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:01,280
description of 17 year old crossing

1000
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,440
how he killed richard baldwin and how he

1001
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,200
did it on the orders of mark richards

1002
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:08,640
who was stood one foot away from him he

1003
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,560
was not having tea with mummy and daddy

1004
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,320
who are now passed away

1005
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,520
he was there

1006
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:16,000
and for carrie cassidy

1007
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:16,800
to

1008
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,960
richards and simon parks as verifying

1009
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,359
the story and some other idiot that i

1010
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,520
can't remember his name right now

1011
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,680
uh it's a sad day when you call yourself

1012
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,920
a top journalist it's a very sad day

1013
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:35,760
it's a sad day for our community as well

1014
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,839
but i've got to thank them because you

1015
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,359
know they gave me a wonderful

1016
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,440
documentary to

1017
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,040
put back them at the the memory of

1018
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:44,720
richard baldwin so thank you very much

1019
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,920
kerry well let's uh let's let's let's i

1020
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:50,160
want to stay focused here on on mark

1021
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:51,760
richards for a second

1022
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,359
where did the captain part uh that seems

1023
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:57,599
like it came from carrie cassidy or

1024
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:01,280
joanne rich's or the mind of the uh very

1025
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,880
sick and psychopathic mark richards

1026
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,800
now the problem is here right is that a

1027
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,480
lot of people did not want to come on

1028
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,079
this documentary right now because they

1029
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:12,720
are scared shitless of this man because

1030
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:15,280
of his ability to manipulate people and

1031
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,599
his ability to manipulate current people

1032
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,440
in the jail cells that are leaving right

1033
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,599
now to do his bidding i don't give two

1034
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,920
shits come kill me i don't really care

1035
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,160
i'd rather get the story out right but

1036
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,480
honestly meeting people

1037
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:31,760
elder people who are scared right now

1038
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:32,800
wow

1039
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,359
nasty man was okay so but okay

1040
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:40,960
but why

1041
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,960
uh why insert the captain part i mean

1042
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:47,040
come on jimmy you know why you know why

1043
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,800
it's to give it validation and

1044
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,800
everything else listen if you're able to

1045
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:53,040
go to prison and you're the only one in

1046
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,400
this community that's that's that's

1047
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,680
researching someone that's in prison

1048
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,440
that's apparently part of the secret

1049
00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:59,520
space program it's

1050
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,240
also stationarization oh you know okay

1051
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:04,240
no i got you okay so

1052
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,560
the the captain part it was there

1053
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,119
because he was uh a captain in the

1054
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,960
secret space program he was never a

1055
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,480
captain no

1056
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,400
i know that i know

1057
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,359
i'm trying to establish a timeline here

1058
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:19,520
so well the timeline of the captain i

1059
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:21,280
would say i'm gonna put this out on the

1060
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:22,800
limb here and say that came from crazy

1061
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,320
carry cassidy i'm gonna say that okay

1062
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,960
so but just think about this right just

1063
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,960
think you know if this is her top

1064
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,480
whistleblower and she does not want to

1065
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:34,720
see my evidence and she put a private

1066
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,280
investigator on me the guy investigating

1067
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:39,119
it right and no one gave two shits in

1068
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:40,560
the community when that came out there

1069
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,400
was more concern is kerry okay am i

1070
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:44,160
attacking her too much am i being too

1071
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,359
nasty to her i you know i mean hello you

1072
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,359
know i'm the one that's been doing the

1073
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,800
research on this

1074
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,720
along with other people that joined me

1075
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:54,000
on the journey to begin with and we'll

1076
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,359
get into some of those other people in

1077
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:56,800
just a minute right

1078
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,839
and uh you know it's you know and some

1079
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,440
people you know what was so sad you're

1080
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,599
not so sad sat with a detective lead

1081
00:41:07,270 --> 00:41:05,119
detective that's dealt with many murders

1082
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,280
not just this right many murders

1083
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,440
and just to feel so embarrassed in front

1084
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,520
of him i felt so stupid in front of him

1085
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,520
i felt so stupid to try to tell him what

1086
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,640
was going on and what was going on in

1087
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,839
this community

1088
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,839
you know and he was just shaking his

1089
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,359
head that people would believe mark

1090
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,480
richards it was so embarrassing

1091
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:24,720
okay uh so

1092
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:25,680
um

1093
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:27,119
we're going to head towards a break here

1094
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:28,160
shortly

1095
00:41:32,309 --> 00:41:29,599
so his

1096
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:32,319
story from prison

1097
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,280
uh

1098
00:41:38,390 --> 00:41:36,000
at what point did this secret space

1099
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,400
program captain mark richards what year

1100
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,720
did this start to surface

1101
00:41:45,510 --> 00:41:42,720
i would say it was a few years after

1102
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,520
joanna joanne richards met him and that

1103
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,839
was when um you know he knew he had

1104
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,680
someone he could manipulate again and

1105
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:51,839
also obviously she's got the the family

1106
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,680
home which is worth millions you know

1107
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,520
she's got that in a trust now

1108
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,920
so i would say that you know if i've got

1109
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,440
a house that's worth millions of if it

1110
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,200
was just the house was destroyed and the

1111
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,800
grounds was available right because the

1112
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:04,880
house is in disrespect i've been down to

1113
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:08,000
uh the family home then yeah you know

1114
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,680
maybe she'll keep a lie going just you

1115
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:11,440
know because when he kicks this

1116
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,960
when he dies then maybe you know she's

1117
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,359
gonna get that or maybe she's just as

1118
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:17,280
you know she she believes him i i don't

1119
00:42:20,150 --> 00:42:18,800
know there's many questions that i still

1120
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,160
go with joanne that i'm still

1121
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,400
researching right now and joanne if you

1122
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,839
listen to this yes i am still

1123
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:25,440
researching your hunt i've not given up

1124
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,359
on you don't worry okay so the uh uh

1125
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,680
the secret space program

1126
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:34,160
didn't come up in court testimony oh

1127
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:35,520
come on

1128
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,040
haven't researched this

1129
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,280
out no

1130
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,880
that's that's the insanity of our

1131
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,720
community to even think that was a

1132
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,640
reality right right

1133
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,040
very interesting and so

1134
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:52,240
uh apparently mark is sitting in a jail

1135
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:53,200
cell

1136
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,160
uh

1137
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,400
and he had years to

1138
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,359
uh he's a fantasy rider right mark is

1139
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:00,960
interviewing his friends and i'm the

1140
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,720
only one that's doing it right now right

1141
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,800
along with my producer in interviewing

1142
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:06,640
his friends right

1143
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,960
this is what he was back in the day

1144
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,480
he was a science fiction

1145
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,960
no he was he was a [\h__\h] artist no no

1146
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,800
cussing on the show i'm so sorry but

1147
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:16,880
that's what it is i'm sorry but but my

1148
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,599
but my i'm so angry right now with this

1149
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,880
and the way i've been tracked by this

1150
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:22,480
community as well

1151
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,079
so angry well

1152
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,319
you know i mean i said i expected i

1153
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,079
expected right at the same time you know

1154
00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:29,839
what i found my bliss i can't complain

1155
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,760
too much right it's a double-edged sword

1156
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,200
it really is right

1157
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:36,000
so what uh what is the

1158
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:38,160
the fantasy part of mark richard's story

1159
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,240
what is it

1160
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:42,960
hold on hold on kevin focus focus

1161
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:46,160
what what is what is his story is he

1162
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,280
saying that

1163
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:49,839
he was part of the secret space program

1164
00:43:54,870 --> 00:43:52,880
and he was off planet and that's why he

1165
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,880
he couldn't have committed the murder am

1166
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,480
i understanding you correctly that he

1167
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,880
wasn't even here saying that he was

1168
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,359
having yeah yeah okay well look he's

1169
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,599
saying that he was framed for the murder

1170
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:05,200
of richard borwin that these two young

1171
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:08,079
boys did the murder and he helped them

1172
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,079
to get rid of the body because they you

1173
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:12,400
know he he liked them so you know let's

1174
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:13,839
help them get rid of the butt so not

1175
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,680
only did he get rid of the body but he

1176
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:18,560
spent on mr baldwin's credit card when

1177
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,040
the body was missing for a week at daley

1178
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,720
at in san francisco and other places

1179
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,200
look he disposed of the body so he he

1180
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,960
arranged the killing he had actually got

1181
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:30,800
he wanted willie robles another young

1182
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,160
man um to uh do the murder for him

1183
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,640
willie denied that and when he met cross

1184
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:39,119
and hoover crossing was

1185
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,319
an angry

1186
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:42,400
um

1187
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,720
a little bit damaged young man who you

1188
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:47,359
know just wanted love just wanted to he

1189
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,280
he wanted a father figure and he found

1190
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:51,680
it in mark and mark saw that he could

1191
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,000
manipulate this young 17 year old and he

1192
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,240
did because he want he had a death list

1193
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,240
he had a death list with many people on

1194
00:45:02,790 --> 00:45:00,720
that death list and mr baldwin was the

1195
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:02,800
top of that death list

1196
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:06,079
and why okay for money money money money

1197
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,750
yes of course it was and i'm going to

1198
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,359
prove that in the documentary okay

1199
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:15,520
because i've now found the proof of that

1200
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,800
and i went back i went back to the

1201
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:18,000
detectives with the proof and they said

1202
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,440
we don't care kev

1203
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,359
he's been done he's in sermon his time

1204
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,440
we don't care anymore right right yeah i

1205
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:26,000
can i can understand that too as well

1206
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,760
these people came forward that i've

1207
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:30,000
interviewed because they cannot believe

1208
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,760
that he's made his way into the ufo

1209
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,160
community they are they are sickened by

1210
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,119
it i mean i've interviewed his wife his

1211
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:39,040
wife back in the day

1212
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,960
she's so you know she's

1213
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,640
she's upset she's upset that this is

1214
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,400
even happening and she came on because

1215
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,800
she wanted to say who this man really

1216
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:48,480
was and she can't believe that someone

1217
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:50,000
called kerry is doing what she's doing

1218
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,359
she can't believe that someone called

1219
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,440
joanne is doing what they're doing

1220
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:55,440
it's it's sad but it is what it is and

1221
00:46:02,550 --> 00:45:59,040
this is our community and uh so

1222
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:02,560
the the i this is how i'm painting it in

1223
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:05,839
my mind he is hoping that

1224
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,520
this star it's not going to get him out

1225
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:08,960
of prison

1226
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:12,480
so is he doing this all because he's

1227
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,720
bored he's got nothing to do i mean i

1228
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:16,640
don't well he's a psychopath he's a

1229
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,160
psychopath right

1230
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,079
right and and actually

1231
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:21,599
here's the thing

1232
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:24,319
he wanted to set up camelot back in the

1233
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,280
day

1234
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:28,000
um he wanted to set up the new camelot

1235
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,599
in marin county he wanted to take marin

1236
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:32,880
county over and set up uh he was he was

1237
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,079
he was fascinated by camelot okay

1238
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,079
and what kerry cassidy's done is

1239
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:40,880
fulfilled that legacy she's now she

1240
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:43,599
kerry cassidy knew him before

1241
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,920
he you know before she set up project

1242
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,480
camelot and um

1243
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,640
obviously he's now got his camelot

1244
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,400
through kerry cassidy and he's now got

1245
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,960
his cult following that he always wanted

1246
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,760
well done everybody involved wow wow

1247
00:47:02,550 --> 00:46:59,599
okay all right now i'm starting to

1248
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,560
follow things here crazy crazy complex

1249
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,640
situation let's take a break our guest

1250
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,280
tonight is kevin moore

1251
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,079
formerly of the moore show this is fade

1252
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,920
to black i'm yours jimmy church we'll be

1253
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:13,200
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1254
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,630
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